10N Assemblea/Assembly

10N Assemblea/Assembly

Annunci

meeting on Friday 9th at 20,00 in Florence preparing #occupyfirenze99

Reporting on where the ide came from – [to link to Firenze]
they are discussing the results from yesterday
vica reading the call now
somebody proposing the main sqaure
Saying that we are coming from different expierience and we have to start from what we have how can we make something interesting?
  • some want to do a so called march from piazza to piazza and have a moving assembly (…)
  • other want to go to neighbourhood
  • others don’t want to do an assembly at all
  • orsan speaking. historical time. how we can visibilize what we do??
  • somebody says that the assembly has to be done by us. we wnat to show our metodology. we are critisising the metodology of this forum
  • antonio:  strong feeling to have an assembly. we need participation. +1
  • we are putting our ideas in the chat is anybody looking at that
  • there is a proposal for tomorrow evening to have the assembly
  • Aitor suggesting we have to participate to the final event
  • There are not a lot of groups in Florence. proposing the sqaure in front of fortezza.
so the assembly is decided??
Summary: 
we want to have the assembly tomorrow to show our metodology and a critic
we want to have activisis
the weather is going to be a challenge
we desagree on is if is a good idea to do it a desicion making assembly or not
mariangela: yes for the assembly yes for tomorrow no decision making assembly yes to show real expieriences and methodology from our squares  and also give information about what we are really doing in the squares. expieriences about what has really happened in the squares in these months, what alternatives have been put in place in terms of struggles, selfmanagenets, ….
It is important for us to know what time and where in order to put information in the blog and tweet. We have already give the information that is at 6 pm in front of the forum place. If is in a different place and at a different time we have to change everything. I dont want statements
Consuanseted: 
  • we will do an assembly open to everybody
  • with our methodology
  • it is not compulsory to take a desicion at the end
  • we could bring the things we discuss in the closing event of the forum
consensuated people to facilitate and taking turns 
have translation needed wispering 
new location Plaza del carmen at 6 pm 
If it rains, meet at 6pm at the galleria degli uffizi
facilitators meet at 1 pm 
Mari will update the blog, the facebook and send tweeter first thing in the morning
English
After the experiences of Puerta del Sol, the Occupy all around the world, included the italian squares of Florence, Rome and Bologna, people from international movements of Occupy/15M will meet in Florence, where the “Firenze 10+10” takes place to share practices, experiences and alternatives.
Participants to assemblies from Occupy London, Occupy Netherlands, Spanish 15M, Agora Roma, invite you all to Firenze on saturday 10th November 2012, at 6 p.m., in
Viale Filippo Strozzi 1, 50129 Firenze FI
In this occasion, the movement will present itself, with its practices and contents.
Opinions and proposals will be gathered, hoping that it will help to spread even in Italy the spirit of public assemblies that are a real occasion of political participation, social relations, public space, urban and not only, regain.
What we have done till now:
1. hashtag is  #OccupyFirenze99  please help with twitter
2. We opened a blog. feed it https://occupyfirenze99.wordpress.com/
3. contact:  occupyfirenze99@gmail.com
4. in the blog the call in Spanish/italian/English/French and flyers
5. . We have an event in facebook  http://www.facebook.com/events/471359062907316/
you can find flyers here as well , feed information, video, use the language you want
6. We are also using Occupy the Comms
7. we will be in Mumble in tomorrow during the assembly tomalaplaza/international/occupyeverything
8. streaming during the meeting by audiovisol
9. in Spanish: politicainternacional15m madrid supports the assembly: we are in tomalaplaza

#OccupyFirenze99 Assembly in piazza del Carmine h 18,00 Saturday 10th November EN/IT/FR/SP

After the experiences of Puerta del Sol, the various acampadas born all around the world, including the italian squares of Florence, Rome and Bologna,

the international movement Occupy/15M will meet in Florence,

where the Social Forum “Firenze 10+10” is taking place,

to share practices, experiences and alternatives

Participants to assemblies from 15M/Occupy

invite you all to Firenze on saturday 10th November 2012, at 6 p.m.,

in piazza del Carmine. If it rains in Galleria Uffizi 

In this occasion, the movement will present itself, with its practices and contents.

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Dopo l’esperienza di Puerta del Sol e delle varie accampate di tutto il mondo comprese le piazze italiane di Firenze, Roma e Bologna,

il movimento internazionale Occupy/15M si incontra a Firenze,

dove si svolge il Social Forum “Firenze 10+10”

per condividere pratiche, esperienze e alternative

Partecipanti alle assemblee 

danno appuntamento a tutti sabato 10 novembre 2012, alle ore 18, a Firenze,

in piazza del Carmine e se piove in Galleria Uffizi 

Verrà presentato il movimento, nelle sue forme e nei suoi contenuti, si raccoglieranno opinioni e proposte

Che aspettate allora? Ci vediamo tutti e tutte a Firenze!

Siete tutti e tutte invitati a partecipare ATTIVAMENTE!!

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Después de las experiencias de Puerta del Sol y de “Ocupar plazas” por todo el mundo, incluidas las plazas italianas de Florencia, Roma y Bolonia,
gente de los movimientos internacionales de Occupy/15M se encontrarán en Florencia,
donde se lleva cabo “Firenze 10+10 “
para compartir prácticas, experiencias y alternativas.
Participantes de las asambleas 15M/OCCUPY
invitan a todos a Florencia el sábado, 10 de noviembre de 2012, a las 18h en plaza del Carmine.
Si hay lluvia en Galleria Uffizi 
En esta ocasión, los movimientos se presentaan con sus prácticas y contenido.
¿Qué estas esperando? ¡Tod@s a Florencia!
¡¡Cada un@ estáis invitad@s a participar ACTIVAMENTE!!
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Dans la suite des expériences de la Puerta del Sol, d’Occupy dans le monde entier, y compris sur les places italiennes de Florence, Rome et Bologne,
des activistes des mouvements internationaux Occupy/15M se retrouveront à Florence, où le Forum « Firenze 10+10 » aura lieu,
pour partager expériences, pratiques et alternatives.
Des participants aux assemblées 15M/Occupy
vous invitent toutes et tous à Florence le samedi 10 novembre 2012, à 18h,
en piazza del Carmine. S’il pleut in Galleria Uffizi 
A cette occasion, il y aura une présentation du mouvement, de ses pratiques et de ses actions.
Alors, qu’attendez-vous ? Retrouvons-nous toutes et tous à Florence !
Tout le monde est invité à se joindre activement à ce projet !!
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1.. The hashtag is  #OccupyFirenze99  please help with twitter
in the blog the call in Spanish/italian/English/French
3. contact: occupyfirenze99@gmail.com
4. We have an event in facebook  http://www.facebook.com/events/471359062907316/
5. We are also using Occupy the Comms https://occupythecomms.cc/g/occupyfirenze
7. We will be in mumble tomalaplaza/international/occupyeverything
MUMBLE INSTRUCTIONS:
Server: Tomalaplaza.net
Room or channel: International/Occupyeverything
Register After Installation: http://www.occupytalk.org/user/register.
8. streaming during the meeting by audiovisol http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc2
9. in Spanish: politicainternacional15m madrid supports the assembly: we are in tomalaplaza

Friday 8 november 2012 meeting at 8pm to prepare #occupyfirenze99 Assembly

After the experiences of Puerta del Sol, the Occupy all around the world, included the italian squares of Florence, Rome and Bologna, people from international movements of Occupy/15M will meet in Florence, where the “Firenze 10+10” takes place to share practices, experiences and alternatives.
Participants to assemblies from Occupy London, Occupy Netherlands, Spanish 15M, Agora Roma,
invite you all to Firenze on saturday 10th November 2012, at 6 p.m., in Viale Filippo Strozzi 1, 50129 Firenze FI
In this occasion, the movement will present itself, with its practices and contents.
Opinions and proposals will be gathered, hoping that it will help to spread even in Italy the spirit of public assemblies that are a real occasion of political participation, social relations, public space, urban and not only, regain.
What you can do in order to help if you are or not there
1.. The hashtag is  #OccupyFirenze99  please help with twitter 
2.. We opened a blog. feed it https://occupyfirenze99.wordpress.com/ contacting occupyfirenze99@gmail.com
in the blog the call in Spanish/italian/English/French and flyers
3. We have an event in facebook  http://www.facebook.com/events/471359062907316/
you can find flyers here as well , feed information, video, use the language you want
5. We are also using Occupy the Comms 
6. Friday 9th November h 20,00 meeting to prepare the #occupyfirenze99 main entrance forum, in Florence, Italy
7. same time tonight Friday in Mumble tomalaplaza/international/occupyeverything
8. streaming during the meeting by audiovisol 
9. in Spanish: politicainternacional15m madrid supports the assembly: we are in tomalaplaza 
Where? Florence 
front of the main entrance of Fortezza da Basso, Forum 10+10, Viale Filippo Strozzi 1, 50129 Firenze FI
When? 
 
first meeting 8th November h 20,00 
 
second meeting Friday 9th h 20,00 in Florence and in Mumble. Tomalaplaza/international/occupyeverything
 
Assembly #occupyfirenze99 10th of november, h 18,00 in Viale Filippo Strozzi n 1 
Partial minutes:
Problems with Police: the organizers want us to inform Police about the assembly
Not going against Social Forum policy
Possibility to organize something more on sunday. Consense about limiting to saturday
We are not enough people to organize a general assembly for the Forum… We don’t want to be The general assembly of the Forum, but part of the forum, and invite participants to the Forum to join the assembly.
Report from Rome about state-of-the-art of diffusion and communication
Sol: Many perople here in the Forum are used to the assembleary method. This place is opened to everyone, everyone can join in. It is true that we are in a frotress discussing about which Europe we want to build in. People from the Forum have a lot of experience in working on these Forum, and are willing yo hear from experience of Occupy/15M movement. Let’s take part to the discussions of the Forum, organize it, and discuss why they don’t want to take on this methodology.
Marisa: Forums set the basis for the development of the 15M/Occupy movement. We need to find a space to melt the two experiences.
Orsan: the experience of Florence1010 is very challenging for us all, included the organizers. But we are all here because of the crisis, and for a push from below that demads for democracy, for action, for radicality.  The process of democratization of the space of the Forum is slow and difficult, but we must work on it. It is very astonishing, for example, that next week we are going to deal with a Mediterranean strike. We need to talk about this interaction especially here in Italy, where there is big division among organizations.
Sol: There is a lot of knowledge within the Occupy/15M movement. The experience of Blockupy is a good example of the way we act: BCE is the problem–>we block BCE! This is something social movements are not really used to. Moreover, we can work very well on technologies. Moreover we are able to create something that first of all create emotional participation.
Cristian: i am here to document to people that are not here what is happening and stream everything to get it viral. Example of Occupy Decoms.
Round of presentation
Daniel: some things to discuss about the coordination with the other assembly officially programmed at the same time.  Let’s work on the signal language.
?: some more topics: opinions about registration with police, and organize with translations. What do we say when we talk about methodology, one is signs, the other is how to get to decisions.
POLICE
Marisa. It’s strange that we ask for permission to police, but it could be possible that it is necessary here in italy. There is a difference between informing and ask for permission.

 

Minutes meeting in Madrid, Agora99 preparing the #OccupyFirenze99 4 nov.2012

 
Order of the day proposed
1.       The Assembly.
2.       Organization & Communication.
3.       The continuity of the process and scope.
4.       The message that we want to take to Florence.
We only had time to deal with the first two points. This is what we spoke. For the 3rd point I include my proposal even though we didn’t have time to discuss it. For the 4th point I include a summary of what was spoken about this at the Beyond Agora 99 meeting.
1.       The Assembly.
The basic proposal is, on the line proposed already at the Milan meeting, to have an assembly outside of Fortezza da Basso, with the place to be decided in common with people from Florenc e. We are suggesting as a possibility the square of Santa Maria Novella.
The Assembly will take place at 6 pm on Saturday, the 10th of November.
It is pointed out the importance of meeting outside even if it rains, to proof a point about approaching citizens, avoiding for them to have to pay the 20 euro inscription in order to join the assembly.
Proposed facilitation: Whoever wants may join a team of volunteers including V, V, P and Di. It is required to have at least 6 people in the facilitating team, with the following roles:
– 1 Moderator and 2 facilitators that will rotate in turns.
–  2 people taking word turns.
–   person writing acta.
Facilitators manage future speakers and not moderator, which should concentrate on managing the current conversation.
We will make use of all the traditions in methodology that characterize our movements, such as the use of gestures for communication, the promotion of respect, openness, horizontality. We don’t think that the purpose is to build any manifesto but rather to show real experience of alternatives, self-management and economic alternatives (such as, for instance, cooperativism).
We aim at finding people that may provide those experiences although participation will be, of course fully open, but we don’t want to have an empty set of experiences to talk about. We think about inviting people that participate in such experiences in the occupied spaces or neighbourhood assemblies of the 15m movement or other.
We propose an assembly consisting on three parts:
– One first part about experience and practice from movements and initiatives.
– A second part to talk about alternatives for everyday life that may arise from the experiences shared.
–  A third point to open a space for general discussion that could be working with division in smaller groups following whatever topic the participants feel need to be treated, using an Open Space Methodology.
It is observed that we have to focus on citizens and individuals but not close the door to professionals and participants of the forum that may be linked to organizations. Moreover, we will promote a non-confrontational profile towards the rest of the Forum on this point, trying to convince by example and not to create a firewall between the two visions.
It is pointed out the difficulty of the timeframe we have to observe impose for a small group to be dedicated exclusively to the organization of the assembly all through the forum.
It is also noticed the way in which the movements like ours are observed by the Forum but without using our practices and methodologies.
We also want to focus on the difference between consensus and majority decisions and to make an educating experience for the participants, given their possible lack of previous experience with the assembleary methods.
We need a Plan B in case of rain or any other difficulty (in terms of a space to run the assembly). It is clarified that we renounce to take part in the other proposed assembly that seems to ignore our proposals anyway.
It is announced that other groups are organizing self-managed events within the ESF for Friday, about the practice of direct democracy. We think this is a positive fact and we need to have it in mind to foster collaboration between the two processes.
It is finally signaled that, in terms of goals for the assembly, we shouldn’t focus on the number of participants but rather on showing clearly the message to those interested. We also want to be in the streets to inspire our vision of reproductivity of models rather than organizing spectacular actions.
2.       Organization and communication.
There will be a next meeting to prepare the assembly with whoever wants to join, at the beginning of the ESF.
We are going to meet  at the main entrance to the Fortezza da Basso (outside), on Thursday the 8th of November at 8 pm, to allow a few hours to meet participants of the ESF that may be interested on joining the organizing team.
Different people agree to assume the work on:
– Communication tools (a mailing list and an invitation to join, M. will take care of including people on it and writing the invitation).
– Linking with the Florence local groups, to which we will ask for minor infrastructure for the assembly, maybe a few ”megafonos” (don’t know that word in English, I mean a hand speaker, C and R will take care of this links).
– Linking with the ESF and WSF and further developing the content of the message that we want to transmit to the forums (Jasper and O. will be involved in this).
– As already mentioned, the organization of the assembly (V, V, P and D).
Of course, as we are a small team, we will all help in all necessary tasks, and will encourage others to join.
THIS IS THE END OF THIS MEETING